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For the fall\/spooky season, our writers watched the 2014 horror movie It Follows<\/em>, written and directed by David Robert Mitchell. The following is a transcript of our post-watch conversation. It has been edited for length and clarity. We hope you enjoy!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> Eugene<\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> Elise<\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> Peyton<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Credit.<\/a> <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> My first thought watching the movie was like, Is this an advert for some Christian cult?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> See, that\u2019s what I thought too! I was like, what is going on here?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> Where they\u2019re like, you have to pass it along, have more sex, and it\u2019s like\u2013you have sex one time and then now you\u2019re doomed! You know, even the setting of it, there was almost a timelessness, where you couldn\u2019t quite tell what the era of the movie was. Sometimes it felt like the 70s and 80s and other times it felt like the early 2000s. And it was so suburban, it was like these blonde white girls in their suburban neighborhood and everyone knows each other and they\u2019re all friends\u2013but at the same time there was no religious anything<\/em> in the movie, it was just a sex demon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> It felt early 2000s to me. But also they were watching black and white movies a lot. And I remember they had these specific kinds of phones, the rotary phone?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> Don\u2019t you remember the girl reading the book on that little sliding\u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> The e-reader. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> Yes, and that felt very modern? But also a 2000s modern. It looked like Juno<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> Maybe the setting time-wise is early 2000s, but they\u2019re in a suburban, almost rural America. \u2018Cause when they were in line for the movie theater, before the main girl has sex with the guy who gives her the demon, the clothing style and the way the theater looked\u2013it just felt so vintage. Maybe that\u2019s what they were going for: this is the average suburb, this could happen anywhere, it\u2019s timeless, like the sex demon has existed for so long . . . <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> I said this to Elise when we were watching it, it feels like they took all those classic tropes of the 80s and 90s of \u201cthe one who has sex is the one who dies\u201d and ran with it and turned it on its head. It\u2019s not the ones who happen to have sex die first, now it\u2019s anyone who has sex is going to be in danger. And I think your point about it feeling like the 80s and 90s, it\u2019s possible that the director and writer, David Robert Mitchel\u2013it seems like he was definitely inspired by those kinds of movies. Like Halloween<\/em> takes place in a suburban neighborhood in which this killer is running through all these houses and no one seems to care. And this is kind of similar, there\u2019s something running through this suburban neighborhood that only the teenagers can see. That feels very appropriate for the horror movie genre. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> It\u2019s so fun, it\u2019s so creepy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> It was definitely more creepy than jump-scary. But there were moments where I would just see it walking\u2013the time they see the demon walking to the guy she has sex with in the hospital [Greg]–because he doesn\u2019t believe her\u2013and she\u2019s looking out the window at this thing grabbing a brick and breaking the window open, that<\/em> was terrifying! It\u2019s so mundane, there\u2019s not that much of a monstrousness to it . . . It\u2019s just so human, in a way that is vaguely upsetting. I did think it was interesting that it seems to kill the person and then have sex with them? Like when it kills that neighbor and he thinks it\u2019s his mom, it just stares at him and then it jumps on him. I can\u2019t quite tell how he died, I\u2019m assuming it\u2019s some physical trauma. It\u2019s hinted throughout the movie that it has this supernatural strength. And it\u2019s so clever, too\u2013the scene in the swimming pool. Where they\u2019re trying to kill it with the toaster machines, and it knows what they\u2019re planning and starts throwing the electronic objects into the pool with them. That was fucking wild. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> The scariest part for me\u2013and in my memory this was also very scary for Elise\u2013it was actually when we moved inside the house\u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> Oh god<\/em>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> \u2013after she first has sex and sees it and goes home, and that guy [Paul] is staying up with her and it enters the house for the first time . . . That for me was the scariest moment. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> We were screaming.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> We were screaming! We really have to give props to the director, Mitchell. What was so impressive to me was how the camera movement itself became part of the horror. It wasn\u2019t just, oh there\u2019s something creepy happening.<\/em> If the camera stayed still, you\u2019re going, \u201cWhat\u2019s in the background, what\u2019s in the background? Something has to be there.\u201d And if the camera was moving\u2013you know in that first scene that established this continuously-moving camera\u2013then it\u2019s like, \u201cWhat am I looking for, what am I looking for? Where is it coming from?\u201d So it used the camera like that, it used space like that; so then establishing this camera movement in, like you said, a suburban space where there\u2019s a lot of empty streets and sidewalks and open air\u2013and then to move it inside the house. And have it slowly move between these dark, open doorways, that was crazy. I felt more claustrophobic there than watching a scene with actual claustrophobia. It was scary to me! Very<\/em> scary to me. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> That scene when Jay sees the creature in the kitchen and she runs upstairs and slams the door and all her friends are like, \u201cWhat\u2019s wrong, what\u2019s going on?\u201d And they\u2019re trying to get her to open the door, that was a really stressful scene. They open the door and the friend is standing there and then the tallest<\/em> man you\u2019ve ever seen just swoops in and as it\u2019s happening the camera pans upwards to show you how tall this man is\u2013whew! <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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It’s so mundane.<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n
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Empty suburbs.<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> I can\u2019t believe that guy really played this long con with the main character, like get her to trust me and have sex with me\u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

P: <\/strong>Elise and I talked about this, you know . . . Eugene, you mentioned it being some conservative religious thing because you have sex and you die, but at the beginning it was really serving as a function of rape. Where he drugged her, kidnapped her, like\u2013had sex with her beforehand, but still completely betrayed her trust and then, he kinda said something like, \u201cThis happened to me too.\u201d Or \u201cThey did this to me too.\u201d I think when Jay runs away to the swing set and her friends follow her and the neighbor follows her, he says something like, \u201cWhat really<\/em> happened to you?\u201d There\u2019s this implicit layer of rape underneath that disappears towards the second half, but [the movie] is clearly interested in the many ways that sex unfolds between people. And how violent it can be.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> At some point, I was kind of like, is this an STD\/STI thing\u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s the common joke about this movie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu: <\/strong>\u2013like I got it too, you have to give it to someone else<\/em>. Don\u2019t have sex, you\u2019ll die from a sex demon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> So the people that they see, these are all people that have been affected as well, or the ones who died from it? I thought the girl from the beginning was one of them\u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> She was, but it also turns into her [Jay\u2019s] friend at the beach. And at the very end, it also turns into her father. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> It\u2019s people they know<\/em>, it\u2019s people they don\u2019t<\/em> know . . .<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s also what tipped me towards an STI, it\u2019s like the people you know can betray you. It can also be sexual assault, it can be anyone you know or a stranger . . . I think you\u2019re onto something about how it takes all of these common fears about sex and what sex is in society and how it impacts women and . . . it kind of did it all. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> On a horror level what was also impressive\u2013like how the supernatural creature works\u2013was how slow-moving it is, but still how scary it is. Just because it\u2019s moving slowly doesn\u2019t mean it\u2019s not scary. It can be terrifying. I feel like that constant, unrelenting movement is also part of the fear. It doesn\u2019t matter that it\u2019s walking slowly, it will not stop. It\u2019s always coming for you, that\u2019s always in the back of your head. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> Very Jason, Halloween<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Constant, unrelenting.<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> The ending doesn\u2019t feel complete. Maybe that\u2019s what they wanted it to be, it wanted you to be like, \u201cIt\u2019s not over, it\u2019ll never be over . . .\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> I agree. It just dropped off. We know that they have sex and they can both see it and they\u2019re holding hands and walking down the sidewalk together . . . I thought that was an interesting shot. But narratively I was like, are you fighting it now, are you guys just living with it? And it briefly hinted that the guy would pay money to a sex worker, to like pass it along? But then that idea was so quick and not expanded upon, I don\u2019t know, it kind of tapered out. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> I wanna talk about two things you said there. One\u2013I do think it\u2019s interesting that\u2013you know, in most horror movies, it\u2019s like, how are we going to defeat this thing? What is the plan? And this movie, they have a plan and it fails. And so they just have to live with it. And that\u2019s a different kind of horror. It\u2019s almost adult. Like, oh my god, this thing is with us forever, like a metaphor for adulthood or trauma, almost coming of age. But also, [secondly,] I do think that random moment where it implies he has sex with sex workers, there\u2019s a lot of loaded meaning behind like . . . how liable sex workers are to danger, how unprotected they are, and the idea that I can just pass it onto these women who are doing what they do for a living<\/em>. It\u2019s along the lines of a very conservative line of thinking, almost punishment for sex workers. That<\/em> was very sudden.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> I think it implied that he was thinking about it, but he doesn\u2019t actually do it. Like he just drives by.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> I think he did it, which is why they seem okay at the end . . . like okay, we got past that<\/em>, even though they didn\u2019t. I think the end is supposed to be like\u2013there\u2019s somebody following them and you\u2019re like, did they actually pass it on? I guess you\u2019re not supposed to know. I<\/em> think he did it. I don\u2019t think he gave too much of a fuck about those sex workers, I think he wanted to have his happy little life with his girlfriend. That\u2019s kind of the hard thing about this, because you want to pass it on because you don\u2019t want it . . . it\u2019s a moral choice there. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> It’s very brutal. They do try to think of ways to kill it, of ways to get rid of it, and the choice they\u2019re left with is: you pass it on. You have to do to another human being what was done to you and that is very hard . . . In the very end, when they\u2019re going to the pool\u2013thinking about this movie as a coming-of-age, not idyllic childhood, but like I said, having to live with it at the end is very adult . . . When they went to that pool, they were passing through all these decrepit homes, and that girl makes the comment like, \u201cWhen we were younger we were never allowed to come over here, because it\u2019s not a white neighborhood.\u201d There\u2019s a sense that they’re finally doing what the adults do, they\u2019re not children anymore. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> This gives you a lot to chew on, it\u2019s pretty wild. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> I think it’s a mistake to try to point at the supernatural creature and be like: this<\/em> is what it is and this<\/em> is what it means, but . . . It\u2019s fun to think about what it is and what it means. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> Yeah, it is . . . Did you guys like this movie? Would you recommend it?<\/a> <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know, because I don\u2019t like horror movies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> It felt perfect for Halloween. It\u2019s like a lowkey horror movie, yes it\u2019s a little creepy, it makes you think and stuff, but also you\u2019re not so incredibly stressed watching it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> Speak for yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> Yeah, I was stressed, bitch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu:<\/strong> I felt like I\u2019ve seen scarier things, so I was like, This is a light, fun movie!<\/em> <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El:<\/strong> I\u2019d recommend it, I really enjoyed it. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> I think I would because I find it so different. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

El: <\/strong>Very visually interesting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

P:<\/strong> Yes, yes\u2013I can\u2019t say I loved<\/em> it, but I do think it\u2019s really, really fun to think about.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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